Clan Carruthers, Origins

CLAN CARRUTHERS: Welsh, the root of the Brythonic language of Caer-Ruthers

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  1. Hello, Thank you for all the work for Clan Carruthers. My great grandfather was George Frederick Carruthers, descendant of Frederick Fraser Carruthers and Georgiana Barnes.(great great grandparents)
    Frederick Fraser and Georgiana had 3 children and lived in Toronto.
    I have a number of letters from George Frederick and other papers, including a very old drawing of the family home in Holmians. Also, I believe a brother of Frederick Fraser, ?John? got into some kind of legal difficulties and there are a few very old papers describing this.
    I am not sure what to do with all these artifacts, but I thought you might be interested in them.

    1. Thank you for this post & replies. Would love to see the drawing of “the family home in Holmians”. Interesting pronunciation of Rydderch in Welsh – many spellings of CARRUTHERS on early American documents are both CARRIDERS & CRIDDERS. Probably the way people pronounced their name then and so officials spelled it that way.

      1. Dear Georgina

        If this is the hand drawn plans of what looks like kirkwood, I did receive it, I’m sorry, it was in my spam folder but did pass it on.

        I’ll do a blog on it. This is great, anything else let me know.

        G

      2. Hello, I just read the posted chapter
        of Arthur Stanley Carruthers’ book on Holmains.
        I understand the Kirkwood reference a lot better.
        I guess like all old families, there were lots of ups and downs.
        My great great great grandfather, John Carruthers married Mary Anne Moore, -( who was Irish) and went off to India for the East India company.
        I have his lettered petitioning for a leave, and there was some scandal regarding Sadlers Wells which, I think was mixed up with the Moore family. There is sort of a warrant, on very old parchment, which I don’t understand.

      3. Many of the Holmains line sought their fortune in India. Can you send us copies of these documents and we will try to put a blog post together on your ancestry which I’m guessing you have done

      4. Thank you for your interest. It will take a while to get them together and copy. The legal document is huge.
        It’s a good story, and we only have fragments, it is a blessing that we don’t have the crazy legal system they had!

      5. Hi Marshall

        The pic of the Holmains home is on the site on pieces referring to Holmains. Regards the name, the variations in spelling as you rightly said, occurred due to pronunciation and misrepresentation by officials. As Annandale was Brythonic during the time of Rydderch, Cumbric, a dialect of ancient Celt was spoken. It seems that modern Welsh still pronounced Rydderch as Ruthers. This was picked up by one of the family who is Welsh and a Welsh speaker. All interesting stuff

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