Clan Carruthers

Clan Carruthers: A Sad Day for Carruthers

The Angel Cries

There are really only two credible classes of Scottish clans in Scottish clan society:

a) those with official recognition of a chief through the Lord Lyon and

b) those who are armigerous and are, would or could be willing to follow due process to have a chief recognised by the Lord Lyon.

In Scottish clan society and culture nothing else matters, you either are, or you are not.

Accepting the many hours of hard work, effort and research by our society, that has gone into preparing the way for a chief to be recognised by the Lord Lyon in Edinburgh through official routes, there are those who have deemed it both appropriate and acceptable to self award the status and titles of Chief and Chieftains and proclaim themselves above the rest of Carruthers, without any authority to do so.

They are supported and organised by the Ancient and Honourable Carruthers Clan Society Int (LLC), a business registered in Minnesota, US, who are fully aware of the task the Clan Carruthers Society has set itself and the work we have undergone on behalf of the family.Yet for their own agenda have chosen a differnt path.

It is therefore with a mixture of great sadness and frustration that we have to inform you that the following individuals are not accepted as Carruthers Chiefs or Chieftains and have no right to claim these positions nor any status on our behalf, and just as importantly if not more so, they are not recognised, nor confirmed on any level as having any status or title in our family by the Lord Lyon, in Edinburgh, Scotland.

For this reason we can offer them no recognition as a clan society. We now understand why they may have removed the face of the seriphim from their badge as Im sure if it could, the serephim of our ancestors would shed a tear at their actions.

The following people are not representative of Carruthers as chiefs or chieftains.

  • Patrick E. Carrothers, Albequerque, New Mexico, USA.

(Not a Recognised Carruthers Chief – LLC appointed)

  • Keith Carrothers, Portage La Prairie, Manitoba, Canada

         (Not a Recognised Carruthers Chieftain – LLC appointed)

  • Jeff Carrothers, Delaware, USA

         (Not a Recognised Carruthers Chieftain – LLC appointed)

  • Harold J Carruthers, Ontario, Canada

         (Not a Recognised Carruthers Chieftain – LLC appointed)

  • Chris Carruthers, Barrie, Ontario, Canada

         (Not a Recognised Carruthers Chieftain – LLC appointed)

My understanding directly from their current President, Patti Carothers Fello of Minnosotta who heads the LLC, that they initially discussed their agenda with the Lyon Court in Edinburgh but were advised that the Lyon Court could not get involved for a number of reasons, the Lyon’s jurisdiction not withstanding. One has to presume that there was no genealogical evidence to back up their claims for the Lyon to assist/make judgment upon.

Arms of the Lord Lyon

Although the Lyons jurisdiction is within Scotland and for Scottish heraldry, his authority extends throughout the world as a robust filter of confirmation of legal status within the clan/family and Heraldic system of Scotland and Scottish clans and as such his decisions are sought by those who wish official recognition and international credibility.

 

We further acknowledge that although the Lyon does not appoint chiefs or heads of houses, he does confirm their position by matriculation of the Chiefly Arms of a clan or family, thus legally recognising them in their role.

To confirm a chief by genealogy :

If proven descendants of a clan’s chief still live, as in the case of Carruthers, they are able to petition the Lyon to matriculate the arms of the chief and through that, if the evidence is strong enough, be confirmed in that capacity. The Buchanans have only very recently and successfully undertaken this route.

To confirm a chief by a gathering:

If no evidenced bloodline exists, the Lyon may approve a Derbfine/ gathering, held in Scotland and supervised by the Lyon Court.

This allows the clan themselves to pick a commander for a period of years designated by the Lyon Court. After the Derbfine, the commander becomes the head of the clan and is made chief, but only if no other better placed candidate comes forward in the set time frame.

A commander is chosen, either by unanimity of the people in attendance or by a large majority vote. Currently Clan Bell, organised from the US are going through this process and we wish them luck.

Where does that leave ‘us’.

What this means quite simply is that Clan Carruthers nor its official Society: Clan Carruthers Society International, can in any way accept individuals who suggest, through titles that they lead or represent us as a clan, whether nationally or internationally.

Our understanding is that credible clan gatherings will refuse to recognise their positions as they maintain no international credibility within the Scottish clan system.

As a Scottish clan, proud of their heritage, choosing to robustly follow our roots, culture and traditions, we have no choice but to adhere to and support the descendants of the chiefly line of Carruthers, of which there are two and follow the process throgh the Lyon Court. They are both resident in the UK, although the Lyon has recognised evidenced individuals outside the UK as chiefs to include the US.

Our seniors are:

Simon Peter Carruthers (senior descendant of Holmains)

James Andrew Carruthers (senior descendant of Dormont)

Therefore because the seniors of our chiefly bloodline exist and have a proven pedigree, they will always take priority through evidenced genealogy over those who are chosen at a gathering supervised by the Lyon Court or not. The rule of thumb is Genealogy supersedes a Derbfine/gathering.

Although an easier route, we cannot simply self award and must and will go through the Lord Lyon in Edinburgh. This is a far more frustrating and turbulent route, which requires hours of research and effort, but hopefully it will pay off in time. for the benefit of all Carruthers, not simply the few.

We thank you for your patience in reading this, and whoever you decide to support, it has got to be an informed choice based on the current evidence available.

CCSI

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